Armitsar Rug part 2

[Konstantin Lapochkin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Konstantin Lapochkin]

I have posted this a while ago. Now got it in person. Someone suggested this is a 1990 copy acid washed to look old. I was thinking a bit earlier - around 1950. Old repair (on picture) partly confirm that. So my question is - how to see and understand that the rug was washed with acid?

[Joe Lawrence Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Joe Lawrence]

It does not appear to have had a chemical wash from the pics. If so, the front would be very dull and lifeless while the back would retain most of the original color.

[Chuck Wagner Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close Chuck Wagner]

Konstantin,

Thank you for the good images of the back of the rug.

I now think it is highly unlikely that rug was made any later than the 1940's-1950's, and likely earlier (my opinion worth what you pay for it...)

Any modern reproduction of an old rug would have been made on a loom with consistent warp and weft tensions. The back of yours suggests a rustic weaving environment, more like that of Qashqai ground loom gabbeh rugs, or this Bijar mat that we have, which I guesstimate is 1900-1930's, and not a workshop piece:

Regards
Chuck

[Konstantin Lapochkin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Konstantin Lapochkin]

Thank you Chuck. Good point. This is another picture of the rough edge confirming your view.

[Joe Lawrence Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Joe Lawrence]

This piece to me looks like an authentic tribal piece made on a loom made from branches of a tree. I would speculate it was done by a weaver that hasn’t mastered the skill yet or by an elderly weaver. The repair appears to have been completed out of necessity rather than a commercial market. It does appear older and whomever suggested 1990 is a little off based on what I see from the pics. Yes, forgery can and will happen but normally those are for extremely high priced items.

I also noticed this that would not have made it to the floor by a rug seller. Without being corrected first. It’s a mistake that was simply corrected by looping it in the skirt.

i think it’s a wonderful piece! I tend to lean more towards the non commercial pieces.


This is very hard to find on the pics provided as it appears to be hiding. This resembles a possible date. A clearer pic would be beneficial to see what it is.

[Konstantin Lapochkin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Konstantin Lapochkin]

This is very hard to find on the pics provided as it appears to be hiding. This resembles a possible date. A clearer pic would be beneficial to see what it is.

Joe. Dont get you point on the dating. there are few lines in dark color yes. But i could not understand for what purpose. This is not a part of design since there is no logic and clear order. Just several dark lines on kilim ends near the edge

[Joe Lawrence Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Joe Lawrence]

This picture has what could be a possible date although very hard to see.

[Konstantin Lapochkin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Konstantin Lapochkin]

This picture has what could be a possible date although very hard to see.

Guys i just admire the eyes you have. I guess there might be something... But what& or just a fraction of design work?

[Konstantin Lapochkin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Konstantin Lapochkin]

This picture has what could be a possible date although very hard to see.

Just a follow up. AI sees it as 1937 or 1957...

[Joe Lawrence Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Joe Lawrence]

Don’t trust AI. If you reverse the image, it “could” be 1230 which comes to 1815. A stretch I know, but it’s worth looking into.