Konya Yatak

[Joe Lawrence Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Joe Lawrence]

Joesph,

I posted the example from the book to show similarities and also i wanted to make mention of the migration west which to this day still shows eastern weaving influences. Irregardless of the differences between the two pieces, there is a common DNA link between the two in my opinion.

Heinz, you have a terrific eye for extraordinary pieces!

[Heinz Kamping Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Heinz Kamping]

I have since consulted the director of a well-known auction house about my Konya Yatak. I do not wish to mention his name here without his permission:

„In my opinion, the Yatak is not an antique original, but a modern reproduction, produced with the intent to deceive. This is evidenced by the overly fine and regular knotting, the garish colors, the lack of patina, and the fabricated pattern. For several years now, forgeries made in Turkey have been smuggled into auctions and sold there as supposed originals.“

I must confess that I myself was afraid it was a modern copy. I bought it from a Dutch auction house. Luckily, I didn't pay much for it. The lesson I learned was probably worth the money.

[John Hutchinson Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close John Hutchinson]

That's very interesting, and a little surprising! You may well have seen this rug, which has some similarities with yours, but it has a different tone and mood. It perhaps helps to illustrate what the director of the auction house was saying...




Best wishes, John

[Steve Price Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close Steve Price]

I also think that Heinz's rug is significantly older that the circa 1925 date given to the other rug.

Joseph

Absolutely. Everything I can see says 1875 or earlier.

Steve Price

[Joseph R. Putnak Member Find all posts View Profile Close Joseph R. Putnak]

Hi everyone. I was also fooled by the yatak. But when I compare it with the example posted by John, I can see the differences in coloration and design.

Joseph

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This director of the auction house should be jailed ! If your yatak is a forgery I have been wasting my time for the last 65 years dealing with oriental rugs.

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[Joe Lawrence Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Joe Lawrence]

I cannot fully buy the “made with the intent to deceive” comment. I have seen these and this piece doesn’t fit the normal counterfeit attempt to deceive. The counterfeit rug deception process normally involves many tricks to include using old period correct wool, soaking the piece in yogurt and letting it sit in the sun and creating “aged wear” damage on purpose. Your piece could have been made for 60 years ago and put away as a keep sake. It happens. Nonetheless, it’s still a wonderful and beautiful example.