Origin of this rug / Khamseh

[Stefan Strotzer Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stefan Strotzer]

Hello, I have problems to identify this rug for weeks now. Meanwhile I would prefer the origin of this piece is the Khamseh tribe. If it is a Khamseh tribe rug, from which part of them?
Could you please send me your opinion about this piece? The size is 180x155cm, the age should be at least 50 years, I would suggest that it is from 1900.

Where would you place the origin? Do you know this pattern and/or are there other examples of it? How do you estimate the age?
If you could give me any advice, I would be very, very grateful.
Kind regards,
Stefan Strotzer

[Steve Price Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close Steve Price]

Hi Stefan

First, welcome to Turkotek. Since we like for people to use their actual names for user names, I've changed your user name to Stefan Strotzer. Let me (sprice1h@gmail.com) know if it doesn't work properly.

I'd guess from the palette that you rug was woven between 1925 and 1975. I can't identify the geographic or tribal origin, but someone else probably can.

Best

Steve Price

[Stefan Strotzer Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stefan Strotzer]

Hello Steve, thank you very much. This forum is very interesting.
All the best, Stefan

[John Hutchinson Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close John Hutchinson]

Hello Stefan,

Your rug has many Khamseh characteristics, but it may not be a nomadic piece. The colours, texture, and the fairly stiff design suggest a village production, perhaps near Shiraz, at least to my eye, and it might be dated to the early decades of the 20th century. That is only my guess, though, based on your photos!

Best wishes,

John

[Stefan Strotzer Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stefan Strotzer]

Thank you very much, John. Interesting and helpful for me.

[Stefan Strotzer Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stefan Strotzer]

Hello, I have some more Information about this rug. It‘s a Khamseh Nafar Tribe rug, around 1870 produced. Should be very hard to find and with the esrly patterns.

[Steve Price Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close Steve Price]

Hi Stefan

Nafar Khamseh may be correct but I don't think it was woven any earlier than 1925. The dyes don't look natural on my monitor, even allowing for the fact that images on a monitor are different than those seen live.

Steve Price

[John Hutchinson Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close John Hutchinson]

Hello Stefan,

I agree with Steve's dating. Please could you tell us more about the attribution to the Khamseh Nafar? A quick search on the internet revealed very little about the tribe.

Best wishes,

John

[John Hutchinson Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close John Hutchinson]

Hello again, Stefan -

Here is a rug, currently for sale, that is very similar to yours, but it seems to be older and a little more fluid in its design. It is described as '19th century Khamseh', but no subtribe is identified.






Best wishes,

John

[Stefan Strotzer Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stefan Strotzer]

Hello, I got my informations about the rug from an english expert. I think that he has alot of knowledge about the tribes and their designs. I found interesting articles there: https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/nafar/
Well, the age of the rug is secondary for me. I like the unusual "modern" design of it. Thanks to all.

[Stefan Strotzer Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stefan Strotzer]

I forgot: he said, that these types of rugs were produced until 1900. not later…..well, it’s not so important.

[John Hutchinson Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close John Hutchinson]

Thanks for the link, Stefan. I now know more about the Nafar!

Best wishes,

John

[John Hutchinson Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close John Hutchinson]

There is another very similar rug illustrated on p 91 of james Opie's 'Tribal Rugs of Southern Persia'. It is a beautiful example, and is attributed to either the Baharlu or Ainalu Khamseh. Opie dates it to the late 19th century.

John

[John Hutchinson Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close John Hutchinson]

And, right under my nose, an interesting older 'Salon' on Turkotek led by Patrick Weiler - http://www.turkotek.com/salon_00136/salon.html. The Nafar tribe comes up for discussion.

John

[Stefan Strotzer Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stefan Strotzer]

Wow, great articles and a lot of help. Thank you very much and greetings from Switzerland. Stefan