Yomut main carpet

[Frank Petruziello Member Find all posts View Profile Close Frank Petruziello]

I just purchased this rug via eBay from a Salvation Army. Store in Florida. They originally thought it to be Chador. I let them know it was Yomut. I find it strikingly similar to a rug in Jourdan, plate 103 page 150. The rug is in great shape with full pile except for a few crease wear areas. I believe it to be all original with natural dyes. The turquoise is particularly nice. Jourdan puts t hisrug in the late 19th century. The eagles in my rug are not as compressed as his example and the main border is different. Any thoughts on his age assessment and this rug’s similarities? The size is 82" x54"
thanks
Frank

[Steve Price Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close Steve Price]

Hi Frank

Nice catch! Unless it is symmetrically knotted, I'd call it Chodor. Late 19th century seems reasonable, but date attribution is seldom more than a guess.

Steve Price

[Joe Lawrence Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Joe Lawrence]

Nice collection! I saw this last night and although I was thinking 19c, I didn’t want to post without hitting the books first. I could not find one similar example in the many books I have. I did find a similar one that sold on rug rabbit that was estimated to be around the same age or even earlier.
The hunt is half the fun. There are amazing finds out there if one is willing to look.
Please post pics of the hidden rugs bunched up in the pics. They too look amazing.

[Frank Petruziello Member Find all posts View Profile Close Frank Petruziello]

Thanks Joe. I will include the rug to the right. It has a story but will need some time to relate. On the original post Steve thought this rug might be Chador. I did check, it is asymmetrical open to the right. I never thought it Chador as I’ve always thought the Kepler gul and eagles were specific toyomut, you?

frank

[Frank Petruziello Member Find all posts View Profile Close Frank Petruziello]

It’s a fragment I got from a dealer in Germany.

[Frank Petruziello Member Find all posts View Profile Close Frank Petruziello]

Here are the other 2.

[Chuck Wagner Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close Chuck Wagner]

Frank,

One person's opinion, of course, but yours strikes me as a Yomud piece. I have several with asymmetric open right knotting. Maybe Steve will eleborate a little on why he's thinking Chodor (I'm guessing maybe the dark gray warps ?) but I'll leave that for him to expound upon.

Regards
Chuck

[Joe Lawrence Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Joe Lawrence]

The dark warp hair of early Yomuds can also include goat hair according to Moskova. The Kepsi gül to my knowledge is used by the Yamud. Some online searching also includes the Tekke but I have no idea of the validity of that.

Here is something I caught that may have been missed…the hand with five fingers or comb symbol located in the upper middle portion of the rug. I can’t say I’ve seen this before utilized like this. I have seen it within borders but never in the main field unless my eyes are playing tricks on me.

[Steve Price Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close Steve Price]

Hi Again

My belief that it's Chodor rather than Yomud is based on the palette. The brownish/purplish ground color says Chodor to me. But distinguishing between the attribution possibilities is fairly simple. Yomud work is almost always symmetrically knotted, Chodor used asymmetric knots open to the right.

Steve Price

[Frank Petruziello Member Find all posts View Profile Close Frank Petruziello]

For those who do not have access to Jourdan’sbook here is Ann excerpt

[Joe Lawrence Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Joe Lawrence]

I do have the book and compared the two. A few things throwing me off on yours is the single border and the hand with 5 fingers. I am leaning on this being older than the example in the book. Of course that is just my opinion. Newer examples have multiple borders.

Moskova’s “People’s of Central Asia” page 230 speaks about nearly half of the Yomud pile rugs were asymmetrical while the other nearly half were symmetrical. It also speaks of goat hair being used.

[Steve Price Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close Steve Price]

Hi Joe

You might be interested in some articles on attribution of Turkmen weavings in our Archives. Here's a link to the one on Chodor, here's a link to the one on Yomud.

Sorry about my confusion.

Steve Price

[Joe Lawrence Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Joe Lawrence]

Thanks Steve. I’m always a student!