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Old September 7th, 2019, 04:16 PM   #1
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Dear Steve
Please could you or the kind members of the TurkoTek forum please help me more accurately identify the rug pictured in the attachments?

I bought it some 40 years ago in Saudi Arabia. It was then described as an Ersari (maybe Ersari-Beshir), but somehow I have a doubt or two -- particularly given the rather fine main upper and lower border motifs. I've only ever, once, seen these attributed to a juval, but this piece is definitely a rug (6ft x 4ft less fringes). It is quite finely knotted and heavy/firm in handle. Allowing for some fading (especially of the blacks) it is still in very good condition -- and loved.

My sincere thanks in advance for any pointers
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Old September 8th, 2019, 01:10 AM   #2
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Hi Red,

In the 20th century Afghan context, this would be referred to as a Baba Siddiq piece.

They are sourced from the area north of Kunduz, between Qala-i-Zal and Imam Saheb, including a village named Baba Siddiq.

Parsons discusses these in his book The Carpets of Afghanistan.

The two major borders are very typical of this production.

The one with the floral element is sometimes called Beshiri, referring somewhat vaguely to an older attribution of Ersari origin, but nowadays thought of as Middle Amu Darya provenance.

This, however, is an Afghan piece.

Combining the borders with modified Tekke field ornaments is uncommon, but not unknown, and is not a traditional Turkmen habit.

The design and dyes place in the mid-20th century, and made for the commercial market.

Here is a Baba Siddiq that we own, also mid 20th century but with the traditional field motifs and colors used by weavers from Imam Saheb:



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Old September 9th, 2019, 12:52 PM   #3
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Hi Chuck,
Thanks for your prompt and very interesting reply to my post.
The mystery now deepens, giving me lots more research to do.
While I take aboard your comments about the possible Afghan Baba Siddiq origin of my piece, and see the almost exact similarities of the two normal borders, I'm left with those larger upper/lower stylized-tree borders.-- so far only seen on a Yomud Juval.
(see http://www.artpane.com/Rugs/R1003.htm)
There's also the fact that the major/minor guls pictured in your rug differ quite widely from mine.
Once again Chuck, my sincere thanks for your input.
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Old September 9th, 2019, 03:44 PM   #4
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Hi Red,

Actually, the tree motifs are very common on modern Baba Siddiq rugs; take a look through Google Images, with Baba Sadiq as the spelling and you'll see several.

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