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Old December 6th, 2018, 01:27 AM   #1
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Default Konya prayer rug and yellow...

Greetings!

I have a friend who did some geology in Eastern Turkey years ago, and he fell in love with Konya rugs. He told me to keep my eyes open for a Konya prayer rug, and I did. Just last month I spotted this one, and he bought it. He is wondering if anyone knows what they used to get the yellow, and I said that I would post it and see.

Thanks for looking,

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Old December 6th, 2018, 05:22 AM   #2
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Paul,

I know you'll get the response to your question from the experts here, and I look forward to it, because doing a quick search, I couldn't find agreement on what is used to make yellow dye. So not very helpful but I just wanted to say what a lovely rug it is.

Any hint as to how old it might be?

I also found an excellent article by TurkoTek's own Steven Price on the subject of natural and synthetic dyes:

https://www.paradiseorientalrugs.com...ynthetic-dyes/

Joy
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Old December 6th, 2018, 06:32 AM   #3
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I believe that the seller thought it was early 19th century, and I have no reason to doubt them. I am not at all confident in my own ability to date Turkish rugs, though. I'm more of a Baluch-Turkmen-South Persian guy, myself.
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Old December 6th, 2018, 08:28 AM   #4
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Hi Paul,

Splendid rug!! I am no expert and, anyway, trying to figure the age of a rug is a bit of a futile exercise, but this rug could indeed be 19th century or older IMHO. Compliments!!!

The yellows are provided by a rather large choice of natural dyes. If your friend would like to know more about them, I would warmly recommend one (or both) of the following books:
Koekboya: Natural dyes and textiles by Harald Böhmer
Natural Dyes by Dr. Dominique Cardon

The Museum of Applied Arts, Budapest, has systematically analyzed its very large collection of Ottoman carpets (including their dyes), most of their rugs are from 18th and 19th centuries, among them a number of Konya rugs. Ferenc Batari and the Museum published a well illustrated booklet about the collection.

Browsing through it this morning, I noticed that a favorite yellow source for Ottoman rugs of the time, including from Konya) seems to be a mixture of Reseda lutea (weld) and Salvia triloba.
A logical choice, since both plants contain the most lightfast natural yellow dye: luteolin.
Bdw the rather faded yellow would quite confirm a venerable age of your rug if the dyes are these.

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Old December 6th, 2018, 06:23 PM   #5
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My friend has borrowed a copy of the Böhmer book, but it didn't address Konya in particular, unfortunately. It sure was an interesting book to look/read through, though! However, now, armed with the knowledge from the Budapest MAA, a return to the Böhmer book will probably yield some useful information. Thank you so much, Pierre!

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Old December 6th, 2018, 07:18 PM   #6
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Hi Paul,

In Rugs of the Peasants and Nomads of Anatolia (published in 1983 and perhaps superseded by the later Koekboya of 2002), Böhmer wrote of yellow color dyes that "Quercetin is the most frequently detected dye, especially in Central Anatolian rugs."

He goes on, "Unfortunately, with the detection of quercetin alone assignment to a definite plant is not possible. According to the present state of research almost twenty plants occurring in Anatolia contain the dye and are suitable as dye plants. We have indications, however, that in Central Anatolia spurge is of special importance...Even in the deepest steppe various kind of spurge grow and these plants can be used for dyeing in almost any season."



A chart of Yellow color dyes in Anatolia:



I think the shape of the mihrab and the tulip design point to Ladik.

Joel

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Old December 7th, 2018, 08:07 AM   #7
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Hi Joel,

That is an amazing list.

I neglected to describe the exquisite handle of this rug, which is extremely floppy with very soft wool. Truly, I have no ability whatsoever to attribute Turkish rugs, other than to say that it was Anatolian, clearly had some age and a stunning palette. For a Baluchophile, that's a lot of color.

I'm glad that I'll get to visit this one from time to time.

Paul

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