Posted by Patrick Weiler on 07-03-2007 06:15 PM:

A Few More Turkey Photos

Here are a few miscellaneous photos, mostly of weavings, from our ICOC trip to Turkey.

This one was a small chanteh-size khorjin on the wall of the new fake rug factory in the Konya area. I think it is original Luri, but not terribly old - maybe early to mid 20th century:

This next one could be Luri or Bakhtiari or Afshar and is in the style of ladle bags - a "landscape" shaped weaving folded over and sewn along one edge - making a container that still retains one of its hanging cords. The whites are cotton:

Here is the middle section of a type of Luri rug that I do not own. And at the price of this one, I probably never will.
It is similar to one in the first James Opie book. The colors are brilliant, the "handle" is luxurious, the weaving excellent and the wool sumptuous. Other than that, it is OK.

This one is a Yomud-looking piece that was at the same place I bought the two Kizil Juvals. I like the diagonal coloring of the tassles. It still has its back, too:

Now for a change of pace, a couple of photos of tile work from the Topkapi Palace:

Notice the original Iznik "No Smoking" tile work, too:

I had a bit of trouble not buying this cute little piece. It had been a two-pile-face chanteh and was unfolded. It has that haphazard Luri-look to it and good colors. It was just not quite old enough and just a bit too expensive:

Finally, here is the small Boteh-Tribe piece I did buy, resting atop a piece of ??? rug that another friend purchased in Konya:

I am entertaining suggestions of what it may have been and its attribution. (Except Baluch - If you think it is Baluch, go to the back of the line)

Patrick Weiler

Posted by Richard Larkin on 07-08-2007 10:25 AM:

I resemble that remark!

Hi Patrick,

The fragment must be some Southwest Persian group, right? Probably the small clique of the Boteh-Tribe moved to Niris by Shah Tamasp in the XVIth century. To confirm that, though, I'd ask you. Of course, we need to see the back, the knots, and the materials of the underlying weave.

Rich Larkin

P. S: The drawing within the little panels of that Yomud piece (with all the tassels) is a bit wild, no? I'm looking at those miniature Turkoman style palm trees in there, and the double bird head candelabra in the upper sections. Is that typical?

Posted by Patrick Weiler on 07-08-2007 04:05 PM:


I did not get to closely check the construction of the ??? rug, I would have thought more NW Persian/Kurdish. It has symmetric knots but no offset knotting and a flat back with no warp depression. If this is a section from the middle of a rug with no medallions, it may have been part of a long corridor rug.
The Yomud piece does have some interesting designs that are not familiar from "typical" pieces - almost asmalyk-type designs.

Patrick Weiler

Posted by Richard Larkin on 07-08-2007 05:29 PM:


I guess you are right about the NW Persian/Kurdish attribution, especially if it is Turkish knotted. With that coloring (which I love) and some of those decorative motives, I could have believed the Shiraz region. Your surmise about the original long narrow format seems right, too.

I hate to be a nerd about the thing, but the warp ends look like cotton from a distance (in contrast, for example, to your Boteh-Tribe bagface). Did you take note of that point?

Rich Larkin