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Subject  :  What is Filberto's Rug
Author  :  Marvin Amstey mailto:%20mamstey1@rochester.rr.com
Date  :  03-26-2001 on 09:49 a.m.
Great travelogue, Filberto; thank you.

I've read now several posts about the routes to Mecca and trade in designs and no answer to the original question. I do not purport to know what this "Caucasian" rug is, bit I'm taken by the description of a single weft and the look of the back (salt-and-pepper) which suggests to me that this is a "Hamadan" - at least generically. Am I off base; did I miss something? Other opinions?
Best regards,

Subject  :  Re:What is Filberto's Rug
Author  :  Steve Price mailto:%20sprice@hsc.vcu.edu
Date  :  03-26-2001 on 10:52 a.m.
Dear Marvin,

The palette looks mighty like an Avar, which would make sense in a bus that came in from Daghestan. The macrame ends look like Kuba, but so much crossover happens between Kuba, Shirvan and Daghestan that any of those are plausible.


Steve Price

Subject  :  Re:What is Filberto's Rug
Author  :  Daniel Deschuyteneer mailto:%20daniel.d@infonie.be
Date  :  03-26-2001 on 02:46 p.m.
Dear Filiberto,

Thanks for your reportage and congratulations for this nice purchasing.
The pattern of your rug is one associated with Armenian Karabagh workshop products from the end of the 19th.. See Shurmann – Caucasian rugs – plate 32 or Bennett – Caucasian – Oriental Rugs Volume 1 – plates 135 & 136.

The high knot count and end finishes (soumak rows and knotted meshwork) at least, are against a Karabagh attribution and point to Eastern Caucasus.
The type of attached selvage is one often seen in Eastern Caucasian rugs.
Colors and ground structure (single wefting and lack of warp depression) are out of tradition and your rug looks like Russian rugs woven circa 1920.
Against a Hamadan attribution are the knot count, the type of selvage, the wool warps and the end finishes.


Subject  :  Re:What is Filberto's Rug
Author  :  Filiberto Boncompagni mailto:%20filibert@go.com.jo
Date  :  03-28-2001 on 10:17 a.m.
May I add something? I saw the same main border motif in the picture on page 344 of Gans-Ruedin “Caucasian Carpets”. It is a non better specified Sumak. I saw it again in person on at least three other old Sumaks at the Hajj Flea Market.

Here is a close-up of one of them.

You can also see the two rosettes very similar to mine (but they are very common motif) and the same fringe.

In my humble opinion the border is a simplification of the classical “wine-glass” motif.

Thanks to you all,


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