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Subject  :  A pile weaving
Author  :  Marvin Amstey mailto:%20mamstey1@rochester.rr.com
Date  :  01-11-2001 on 07:45 p.m.
Dear Daniel,
Just back from vacation and caught up with your wonderful presentation and the great discussion that has followed. I post here an image of a Kurdish rug with deep, wonderful colors and full, silky pile, about 5 x 8 ft. This was up for a day last month and then removed in deference to your salon, but now I think it might add a good example of pile weaving:

I hope you agree.

Best regadrs,
Marvin


Subject  :  Re:A pile weaving
Author  :  Michael Wendorf mailto:%20wendorfm@home.com
Date  :  01-12-2001 on 07:11 a.m.
Dear Marvin:

I do agree. I wonder whether you could provide us with a technical description. Is there any goat heair in the foundation? I also wonder whether this rug has undyed wools in the knotted pile?

In many ways, your rug appears to be very close to a rug you and I discussed last year that has a related pattern and 5 distinct colors of undyed wools. As I recall it, we discussed the possible implications for abrash arising from the natural color variations found in undyed wools in such rugs.

What say you?

Thanks, Michael


Subject  :  Re:A pile weaving
Author  :  Marvin Amstey mailto:%20mamstey1@rochester.rr.com
Date  :  01-12-2001 on 05:17 p.m.
Dear Micheal,
The warp is an admixture of light brown wool and hair (whose?). The weft is two shoots of red-dyed wool. There are at least 4 colors of undyed wool from my observation, including that wonderful reddish-brown that you pointed out during the Kurd exhibit in Washington. Anything else I can tell you?
Best regards,
Marvin

Subject  :  Re:A pile weaving
Author  :  Daniel Deschuyteneer mailto:%20daniel.d@infonie.be
Date  :  01-12-2001 on 09:39 p.m.
Dear Marvin, and readers,

Glad you are back. Thanks for your kind words. As Michael, I agree.

Itís interesting to see how many variations of the same pure slit tapestry (yes, I agree) design appear in so many Kurdish weavings throughout all Kurdistan and in so many different less restrictive technique.

This suggest once more that slit tapestry weavings predated most type of weavings.

It doesnít appear in primitive rugs like Filikli and I donít know if felt rugs were also influenced by design originating in slit tapestry.

The design in Filikli rugs are large scale, simple and geometric to correspond with the height of the pile. Is it possible that such rugs predated flatweaves or followed other evolution path?.

Michael, you often insist to know if the Kurdish rugs displayed during this Salon contain goat hairs or undyed pile wool. What does it imply?

Thanks,

Daniel


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