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Subject  :  Four Naldaq motif
Author  :  Michael Wendorf
Date  :  09-09-2000 on 11:12 a.m.
Dear Daniel: Your Salon depicts several carpets with versions of a "four C" or "four naldaq" motif. You write: "This motif is common to Caucasian and Anatolian rugs. Its origin maybe Turkmen." First, perhaps you mean to say its origin may be "Turkic" rather than "Turkmen?" More importantly, I do not know what the basis for this motif having a Turkic or Turkmen origin would be. It seems very generally Islamic, but may have roots that predate Islam and almost certainly the Turkic period making an attribution to Turks or Turkmen (as opposed to, for example, Iranian or other origins) difficult and perhaps beside the point. Your Salon also makes reference to plate 23 in Burns' Tradition in Weaving. The Shirvan carpet there depicted has the four C motif in boxes within the field. You quote Burns who says this motif when enclosed in boxes only appears in old carpets and ask whether anyone else has made the same observation. Jim Burns is a very astute observer and I cannot recall seeing the motif in later production, but I do not really draw any conclusions from this. I find it unlikely that the four C motif had any origins placed in a box. It seems more likely that such a motif is more likely to have origins more on a diagonal orientation. I have not looked but we could probably find related devices in very old textiles from a variety of areas. I do wish to add that im my experience this four C or four naldaq motif seems to occur more frequently in borders and in several styles. Among these styles is a Kurdish version. An example of this type is found in Hali 62, April 1992, on page 61. This carpet, which was exhibited last year by the Near Eastern Art Research Center exhibit on Traditional Kurdish Rugs, probably dates to the mid-19th century and was identified by William Eagleton as an east Anatolian Kurdish tribal rug as opposed to east Anatolian Yuruks. The distinction is an important one. The Yuruk, a Turkish people, are now located in central and western Anatolia and apparently entered Anatolia with the Turkmen tribes. The Kurds have lived in western Iran, eastern Anatolia and northeastern Iraq since antiquity according to Eagleton and others. The Yuruk speak Turkish while the Kurds speak a one of several Kurdish languages, which are Iranian in origin. You will observe that the Kurdsih style of this motif is to enclose the four Cs in a diagonal element woven using offset knotting. Perhaps some can scan an image of this rug from their Hali or transfer it from the NEARC exhibit web page? Daniel, thank you for the provocative Salon, I have been challenged and learned a great deal over the last two weeks. Best, Michael

Subject  :  RE:Four Naldaq motif
Author  :  Vincent Keers
Date  :  09-09-2000 on 11:49 a.m.
I think it's origine is a cross. If you a have a close look, the horizontal c design is smaller then the vertical c. Make them the same size, the horizontal c as big as the vertical the four c's make contact. Draw an octagon around, and it's the older cross design. But if there are a lot of Mulahs in the enviorment, cut it up. Best regards, Vincent Keers

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