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Subject  :  Intersecting Diagonals
Author  :  Daniel Deschuyteneer
Date  :  03-18-2000 on 09:47 a.m.
daniel.d@infonie.be Dear Robert and you all, You clearly noticed the striking similarities between your kilim (your Fig. 1) and the Belkis Balpinar and Udo Hirsh example (your Fig. 2). You suggested that the two pieces must have been woven by the same tribe, and possibly by the same individuals. One technical "weaving error" seen in the two pieces suggests that the same individuals woven them. They didn’t strengthen intersecting diagonalss with horizontal elements. In her lecture during last ICOC, Marla Mallett explained many problems encountered by slit tapestry weavers. One of them is the weakness of the fabric where diagonals intersect or cross. The solution for the weaver is to stabilise the fabric wherever diagonals come together, by weaving a few horizontal wefts across the junction. It doesn’t matter whether these yarns are part of the motif itself, or part of the background. She said also that this simple principle is the key to a lot of kilim designs. These stabilising bars appear in the kilim illustrated in your Fig. 3 - 5 – 6 but not in Fig. 1 & 2. The following picture comparing one of your medallions and the Kult Kelim example shows this clearly. Many thanks, Daniel

Subject  :  RE:Intersecting Diagonals
Author  :  Steve Price
Date  :  03-18-2000 on 10:15 a.m.
sprice@hsc.vcu.edu Dear Daniel, I'm not a kilim collector, and don't know much about them. But I think the absence of strengthening of intersecting diagonals on two kilims of similar design is pretty soft evidence that the same weaver did both. Steve Price

Subject  :  RE:Intersecting Diagonals
Author  :  Robert Torchia
Date  :  03-18-2000 on 01:26 p.m.
Daniel: That is a very interesting observation that I had never even considered. This is another striking point of coincidence between by kilim and the Vakiflar example. Perhaps it is too adventurous to suggest that both kilims were woven by the same individuals, but the compositional and evidently structural elements are quite close. RT

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