Posted by Vincent Keers on July 31, 1999 at 15:07:38:
In Reply to: Re: Vincent Keer's "Anahit": Image posted by Marvin Amstey on July 31, 1999 at 10:03:43:
: : : Dear all,
: : : I have been out of this discussion for some days because I needed to prepare my next salon.
: : : Vincent's rug is quite different than Wendel's rug. According to L. Kerimov it's basically design is a crude version of the Khirdagyd-Chichi design and the central medallion was often used in Gendge rugs. Borders are atypical and peculiarly the outer border.
: : : It's sometimes seen in Kuba and Daghestan rugs but far more often in North and South western Persian rugs. The yellow ground and the overall color scheme suggest me a Gendge attribution. But this is only a guess without any structural information's.
: : :
: : : A Luri attribution has been suggested by Patrick Weiler for Wendel's rug. I also thought it could be Luri, but the rendering of the humans and other details in the rug isn't Luri. Luri rugs are more often cruder in design and the elements scattered on the field are rarely organized. Look to how human are simply and naively woven in the Luri rugs illustrated in Opie and Housego books
: : : The human clothes drawn in Wendel's rug aren't very helpful in attribution. The only thing we can say is that they have hats, a common habit in Azerbaidjian.
: : :
: : : Until now we didn't spoke about the wool quality. This is an important feature as Shasavan always used wool of very high quality.
: : : Last it seems through the discussions that the structure would be a peculiar (perhaps Shasavan) feature which would help to indentify the origins of this rug.
: : : I have some difficulties to clearly imagine and see how it really appears at the back even in the picture of the humans. It would be very interesting to see a direct scan with a high magnification and resolution done before scanning.
: : : Thanks to all for your input it's really a very very interesting salon !
: : : Cordially
: : : Daniel
: : Dear Daniel,
: : Thank you for giving me a chance to redeem myself. Perhaps I will also remove one foot from my mouth for another, but here goes:
: : I have been reading Hali 104. There is an article by Murray Eiland, Jr, on Afshan design.
: : This rug has design similarities to the afshan design (which was popular in the south Caucasus since the 18th century). This rug has, as its main element, what Murray calls the "horizontally aligned palmette", albeit in a much altered form. This rug also has what he calls the "rounde, lobed figure" at the top and bottom corners, (total of four).
: : I do not see the other main afshan design elements, but Mr. Eiland notes that later rugs were woven with only one or two of the afshan elements in them.
: : Therefore, this rug could very well be a considerably degenerate tribal (therefore possibly shahsavan, who migrated back and forth accross what is now the border between the southern Caucasus and northern Iran) version of the afshan pattern.
: : I would speculate tribal rather than settled village weaving, since it seems that the majority of the village rugs were more commercially influenced than this rug appears to be.
: : Degenerate or not, it is a fabulously quirky and extremely appealing rug.
: : Patrick Weiler
: Well, that's what makes horse races: I agree with quirkiness and disagree with the appeal. Regards, Marvin
Did anyone mention Talish? The cotton warp is ok.
The border design is Talish. See Ulrich Schurmann
plate 54 and 53 . What strikes me is that the design in the field isn't cut off at the borders.
A more Persian design-oriŽntated rug should have
half patterns. There I go again with the Chinese.
I find the rug a very honest, yoyfull work off art.
It makes me smile so it's ok.
Something more about the "Anahit" This name was
given to the rug by a very highly praised Turkisch
specialist. So who am I? If we look at plate 44 in Ulrich we see a Gendje and he tells us on page 146
that "Similar carpets were also made in Anatolia"
The structure:Warp: Wool, z spun, single/ Weft: z spun, single, 2 shoots, one natural/one pink. Knot:
Symmetric: Brown 2 ply, other colors single.
Edge, top, bottom nothing original. The back has a
cotton foundation wich has been glued wich is a shame. This has been don before 1940.
Sofar, so good, greetings from a smiling Dutch rugy.
Vincent Keers without an apostrophe.
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