Re: Only in space or in time too?

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Posted by Patrick Weiler on April 29, 1999 at 08:30:39:

In Reply to: Re: Only in space or in time too? posted by Erol Abit on April 28, 1999 at 17:18:43:

: Dear Steve,

: Actually, I a litle bit touched on this in my previous post "time delay" but since we focused on "salt", what I tried to mean was ignored. I didn't want but could go further by using technical keywords "determinisim", "relativitiy", "space", "time", "chaos", "spatial chaos (which is the case in this topic of the week)", "temporal chaos (which is the case I tried to add in my previous post)", "spatio-temporal chaos (which is the actual case likely to occur), the philosophies behind them, etc etc especially for such questions which begin with "why".

: But if I talk more by using these terms, the topic will bifurcate to a generalization from a special case of bags. But the questions you asked can be answered and explained well with these terms, I think, by using rug&bag terminology as "data". Anyways, if suffice to say only one thing, I'll say that this case may be a spatio-temporal chaos and you are perhaps neglecting the temporal part by keeping only spatial part (big change in bags of SAME time when SMALL changes in spatial coordinates). Wouldn't any SMALL change in TIME be significant on those bags that you are not aware of? You know small time changes may be very significant especially when high instabilities occurs in time, for example during wars, troubles in lifes of folks, so on. A 10 years difference between those two bags may be as much important as the narrow river you mentioned is. If it is this case, its name is "spatio-temporal chaos" and can not be answered by considering only spatial (across river) changes. In the case of spatio-temporal, the research must be done by a collobration with historicans (experts of "time") who know what events happened on those days when those bags were woven.

: Regards,
: Erol


Yes, chaos is relevant to the discussion, however only in the mathematical meaning of the term. The chaos theory states that the ultimate result of a situation (in this case the state of rug weaving in NW Persia versus Central Asia) is determined by the initial conditions. In other words, the development of these two seemingly discrete weaving traditions became so different because, even though the basic function of the weavings was the same, the direction each went compared to the other was a result of the conditions under which they began (cultural/geographic/political/etc.) and was not as much affected by the INTERACTION of the two cultures - (which is the postulate of this topic).

Patrick Weiler

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