I hope it doesnt sound
strange but I have to tell You how happy I am about all the help I get
here. Its really great to have the opportunity to discuss here. I feel I
learn more then from the half dozens of books on rugs, I at least tried to
- Yet the knowledge u gain, has a drawback
- sometimes u find out hings u wish u had not
Well - Ur Hints
have led me to a rather sad discovery:
The blueish red in the rug
appears to be chemical, probably fuchsine as suggested by Jack?
first I did a test by rubbing the surface with a damp piece of white cloth
firmly on diffrent colors and it revealed - nothing. I was happy.
then I followed Richards advice and let some water run through the rug
from pile to foundation and firmly pressed a piece of cloth against the
foundation - after some time it left some pale red/pinkish
I did the same test on all the other colors, none of them
did show any bleed.
None? Well on the borders where there is the pink
red alongside with green and some very dark aubergine shades, I could see
some very little grey/black next to the red dots...
thesis on the "colortransfer" instead of bleeding, I basically ment what
Jack Williams suggested: The transfer to the foundation may be from Kelim
endings. Kelim endings or not - the red is bleeding
discovery I also searched the hole pile (nearly
) for any sign of
tip fading. Well, maybe I need some help on this. There are some areas
where the very tips are a bit brighter, especially on the dark colors, but
these seem to follow a slight wear pattern and to be rather caused by
physical abrasion then caused by exposure to sunlight?
Im still a
bit confused, because I saw some examples of chemical reds faded to grey
and nothing like this can be found on any parts of this rug. In fact the
pile surface is of very similar color as the foundation pile, just a
slight bit brighter at the dark colors maybe and with some more "shine".
In this regard the nice colors maybe the effect of colordetoriation
After all natural colors to fade/ show signs of wear as well
What I tryed to suggest by drawing the comparison to the
bright salor red - article is just, that there seem to be some natural
colors that bleed as well, if not rinsed probably, due to some excess of
dye left in the pile.
But I guess I have to except the presence of
at least one chemical dye in this one - and Ive heard where ther is one
there are probably more...
Yet taking Jack Williams hint, asuming a
rather old age, chemical dyes might have been more expencive then natural
ones and therefore only have been used for specific
Concerning the structure:
The blueish weft doesnt
have the luster of warp or pile, seems to be thinner strands and is
probbaly cotton. should I do a burn test?
With the Warps I did one and
they are Wool.
From what I found out so far, the rather high knot
count does not have to rule out an arab belouch origin. I followed that
trail before because of the piece on spongobongo displayed im my original
In Azadis "Carpets in the Baluch Tradition" there are several
arab baluch rugs displayed, mostly from ferdows, wich have a very similar
knot count, some even higher. Yet they are all very old, dated between
1860 and 1890...
All of them are done with an asymetric knot, some open
to the right, some to the left. Some foundations are all wool, some all
cotton, some a mix. The pile is often descriped as fleshy, wich would also
decribe this rugs pile, yet none of them seems to have more then 7mm of
Pile. Still - None of them is said to have any warp depression wich seems
to be rather heavy on mine...
Concerning the kind of knot, open
left or right, I´m not sure If I got that one right: The pile lyes flat in
a diagonal that resembles an S - bar, not a Z - bar, I believed this to
mean open left?
Color wise the arab belouch pictured on spongo
bongo still comes closest to what this on looks like in reality. (at
indirect day light)
Regarding the Inscription Richards Caucasian,
it seems at least as hard a nutshell to crack (can u say so in english?)
as mine. Lets hope some some CIA decryption (?) specialist will show up in
this forum soon. Or somebody more firm with arabic numbers/letters? I can
see the figure 8 in it but a one?
Do rugs actually get woven with the
foundation facing the weaver ( I dont think so?) . In this case it may be
easy to reverse numbers?
So what did I learn so far - some
chemicals can look very beautifull
Its strange cause all the
othe chemical dyed pieces I have are rather dull and liveless and dont
show this beautifull changes during diffrent phases of daylight - no
matter how carefully I hand - washed them..
So what could explain
the lack of sunlight induced fading?
A friend of mine had a father who
was bilbliophile. He didnt alow any windowshades to be opend during
daylight. Well - this was not the only reason why she described her
childhood as terrible, but it surely didnt help. I just hope this rug
didnt spoil anybodys youth in a similar manner
if we presume this colors to be less lightfast (wich may be another issue
then bleeding after all?) - what could explain the fact that the fading,
if any, is so slight?
One last thing - I looked at diffent rugs
being on sale with the same dealer, some of them far more expencive then
mine, and usually, when they dont know a date they may title the rug as
being old but in the field for age, they write: "unkown". So I suppose
they must have at least believed in the rug being from around 1900
themselfs, wich would also go along with what Jack and Richard thought of
as being a possible age if I got them right?
Again thanks for all
ur help! Anybody any Idea on the symetrically placed blue-pink dots in two
of the red leaves?