Pierre Galafassi finished his last contribution
with the sentence ,,I do not see much fun at further discussing
differences of opinion except when new facts are involved.
a nice invitation for new facts.
Yes, let us first offer new facts
and then answer the questions that were left
The attached pictures
shows one ,,early Salor red" on a fine woollen
fabric amongst other
dyes. I mean the scarlet-red wool fabric below the
yellow silk.This was
done from madder alone, without any tin, and not ,,hot"
(with hot I
mean above body temperature). In this case Einstein's cleverer
was Mümin Kurnaz in Karaman.
Sorry that I was not able to take a
picture where this is placed on an Early
salor red weaving, what should
have been the better idea in your original article as well, Pierre!. May
,,Unless the dyes were synthetic or Einsteins cleverer
brother was the
No, as I wrote there: these
scarlet socks were made exclusively with
picture of scarlet (Cochineal on a tin mordant) on
Mohair:" I did =>
not say it was madder.
,,3) ...But then Salor Turkmen never had the
reputation of being incompetent
dyers, did they?" So I had asked
,,How do you know who made the dyes?"
Would you like to answer
this question, whatever speculative, but show the
,,To call applying tin chloride in its hydrate form a
«technical mistake» is
your very personal opinion..."
please, that I meant the case that the bulky hydroxide is
redissolved and absorbed by the fiber and
the wool is
corroded by the
mordanting process. If it works - it works. But even in
the 18th century
European workshops it very often failed, so often,
that people found it
necessary to discuss this problem in their books.
Not an easy task,
especially not in 18th century
You wrote: ,, please note also the use of the «cream
of tartar» buffer in the
mordanting recipe)." But I could not find it:
,,Well, I saw no mordanting
recipe."- So, please, where did you write
this mordanting recipe?
,,This friend has a truly unique practical
knowledge of the matter." - This
makes one wonder why this knowledge
does not prevent him from applying dyeing
methods that yield this:
,,...but the shade, while superbly saturated, is not
in any way a
bright «Salor red»." I agree with you: the method that you
will result in a saturated, but dull
dye lake. The result of
same method in Central Anatolia is of course the same.
you would start with pseudo-purpurine of pharmaceutical purity, any
dye process would convert it largely to purpurine. (Do you believe
this is not the case?)." Of course this is the case - and the
reason why the
above mentioned weeks-long period will never give the
,,A copy of the «bible» written by my former
competitor (and nevertheless
outstanding analytical chemist ) Schweppe,
would give you some mileage too."
Here I do not understand the term
,,competitor". I met Schweppe personally in
my former gallery. I read
the ,,bible", of course. Our work about HPLC with
UV/Vis Diode Array
Detection was cited there, but it does not discuss in
influence of different nuancing metals.
University papers about
this topic did not exist till about 2000; yes,
what ,,Google" means I
know. But it seemed that you have at hand (in
form?) some newer stuff. We would be ready for some URL
or material by
Where does the question of early Salor red stand
Madder on pure tin mordant? In my experience (since 1981) the
result is too
orange (yellowish, not scarlet) but I may try it again.
But it takes time,
till about end of this month. - Microchemical
analysis of Salor red threads
should be easy, though. Who will do
Nuancing with tiny amounts of tin on an alum-madder-dye lake: may
reader will know it better. I personally would question that
this might be