Mystery Textile Number 11
Here is the first clue for Mystery Textile number 11:
Pile rug, yellow ground, floral or fruit motif = east turkestan rug,
probably mid XIX, maybe Khotan
another clue to help further sharpen the astute guess.
I was not enough far to the east. The blue and the brown and the angular
shape evoque a more chinese influence, but the pile looks always turkestan. If
not Khotan maybe Yarkan ?
here is another clue . . . to help give a final answer
and tomorrow another one if this doesnt help
Your pictures puzzle me a lot.
Now I see that the east turkestan thread is not good at all. What can it be ?
The motif is floral.
The fruits or blossoms can go with a tree of life motif, or a vase motif.
The shape and the style of the flower is not at all persian but looks something like chinese.
Is we explore all the same the persian thread it could be southwest (Niriz or Neiriz : yellow ground, angular architecture, realistic rendition of the frouit motives...) or north i.e. Heriz. But the general look of the motif doesn't speak persian.
If it is not persian, it could be Ningxia. After a long seach in my documentation I didn't find any pictures that match !
The terrible thing in this story is that your pictures seems to me very familiar !
Found this link
silk throne cover
Is this what we are looking for??
If you'll send me the URL of the page you're trying to link, I'll insert it into your message.
Louis has sent me the images of what he believes to be the piece Johanna was referring to:
Thank you, Louis.
Bonsoir ą tous
Thank you Johanna for your help. The trail remains around the Yarkand place. Yellow ground, angular branching of the design. But the Richard rug lacks of pomegranade and seems to be more precise in the drawing of details than use to do Yarkand weavers (the drawing is more schematic as we can see in those pictures of a Yarkand throne cover).
Richard, where is the next clue ?
you are there . .. .dont turn away
CLUE NUMBER 5
could be Thibetan.
Floral thibetan meditation matt, XIXI°
i wrote before
you are there . . . dont turn away
this is the image of the piece . . . it is unfortunately a fragment
what was missing before was . . . . what the piece could be . . . .
we have a winner !!!!
dear all thank you for your contributions
silk carpet on cotton
east turkestan was called chinese turkestan possibly yarkand which is the primary town of the area
middle to end of 19th cent.
the salon will be opened for another day or two for your comments and corrections if i have made a mistake.
Mr. Louis Dubreuil is of course are winner and has the honor of purchasing and wearing a turkotek tee shirt if ever they will be made. he had almost guessed the piece from the first clue . . . and would have done so if he had mentioned the word silk . . . . he than made a little mistake and thought that the piece couldnt be from khotan or yarkand because they had no pommegranites but the first two clues are images of pommegranites
so all honor to Louis Dubreuil and Amicales salutations
The first impression is often the good one . After, I have losted myself in
details. Your rug is however quite unusual for east turkestan. Here is in it a
stronger chinese influence than in the usual stuff. I was looking for "normal"
pomegranades, these in your rug being quite small !
It would be fine if we can look at the whole rug in a total picture.
Is there a good book specialised in east turkestan production ? I know only the pages that are usualy made about these rugs at the end of the rugbooks.
The game was quite funny and interesting. Bravo Richard.
Avec mes amicales salutations
dear Louis Dubreuil
thank you very much for your kind words . . .
the image is of just about all that remains of the fragment . . . there is just a irregularly cut bit hanging over the image that i posted with the cotton braided . . .
i choose it for the game because it seems a rather special . . . or perhaps better said . . . a rather strange example of an east turkestan rug. i still think it is east turkestan because of the pallet of colors and quality of the silk, but of course i could be wrong.
i dont know of a book on carpets from this area . . . perhaps john howe or another of the team does? you could ask one of the reputable book dealers. i would be happy to recommend one or two off site. [we cant recommend dealers on the site]
thanks again to you and all the others who participated.