Posted by Steve Price on 09-19-2004 02:18 PM:

Mystery Textile Number 3

Hi People

Here is Richard's third mystery textile:

Posted by Filiberto Boncompagni on 09-20-2004 03:05 AM:

Hum… Indian embroidery?

Posted by Filiberto Boncompagni on 09-20-2004 03:52 AM:

Found this on the web: Kashmir Shawl Border, circa 1820.

Maybe… or maybe not.


Posted by Richard Farber on 09-21-2004 11:41 AM:

dear filiberto

very good but no cigar . . . in fact not one thing correct.

more guesses please !

come on rug community this one isnt that difficult.


richard farber

and for a little verbal clue

little very little

Posted by Patrick Weiler on 09-21-2004 12:36 PM:

little guess

Turkish napkin?

Patrick Weiler

Posted by Vincent Keers on 09-21-2004 05:01 PM:

Oi, oi,

More easy.
Zarathustra's pyjama jacket.
600 b.Chr. North Iran

Best regards,

Posted by R. John Howe on 09-21-2004 07:41 PM:

Dear folks -

Perhaps the embroidered edge of a Turkish towel.


R. John Howe

Posted by Stephen Louw on 09-22-2004 04:03 AM:

IMO - detail from an contemporary Kasmiri (or NW Indian) weaving, probably a throw or a pillow case. Crude stitching not at all like the Kasmiri shawls known to the West.

Posted by Filiberto Boncompagni on 09-23-2004 02:30 AM:

Richard sent another clue:

Posted by Steve Price on 09-24-2004 10:26 AM:

Hi People

Here's Richard's third clue on this piece:

Posted by Filiberto Boncompagni on 09-29-2004 05:57 AM:

... and a new one:

Posted by Vincent Keers on 10-01-2004 06:43 PM:


19'th century?
The boteh looks like a flame in the first image.
It isn't a Burka.
But, the size could cover the head.
It's square I think.
Most Indian garments are rectangular.
No, it isn't big. It isn't square.
A book cover?
The border design in the corners isn't India style.
India style is doing things with your the tongue between the teeth.

19'th century.

That's it for now.

Best regards,

Posted by Richard Farber on 10-02-2004 01:06 PM:

We have a winner !!!!

congradulations to vincent keer

kirman embroidered square kirman [sometimes kerman]
is in persia

about 85 cm

silk and metal embroidery on very fine cotton

19th century [THIS IS A VERY WIDE DATING perhpas youi want to guess which half?]

best regards

richard farber

and thanks to the others who participated in this thread . . . you have guessed well and stradled to target by guessing kashmir and turkey allowing vincent to zero in . . bravi !!!

Posted by Richard_Farber on 10-02-2004 04:35 PM:

Here is a piece from the same area.

This is an image of a Kirman niche form which has been dated to around 1800 -- sorry about the poor image, the textile is under plexiglass.

These early white ground Kirman embroideries are not all that common. Somewhat later ones - often on red ground - can be more often seen.


Richard Farber

and again, congratulations to Vincent Keer.

and as to his material prize ---- when and if ever Turkotek decides to make a tee shirt, Vincent will be allowed to purchase one at full price.