Mystery Textile Number 4
Here is Richard's fourth mystery textile:
How about part of a suzanni embroidery?
Ottoman suzani? I say Ottoman for the stylization of the flower. I’m not sure
if the term "suzani" can be applied to an Ottoman textile, though.
As a matter of fact… Where we can use correctly the term "suzani"?
"Suzani" means needlework. So the term can apply to any embroidery.
you must wait a day or two for the next clue but in the meantime a verbal clue.
think of monuments of eternal love.
Oi, Oi, Oi,
Buddha's pyjama jacket
Dear folks -
Following the theory that resources should help I have consulted seven books on Turkish and Greek Island embroidery and Islamic textiles in general, although suspecting that Turkish ones are most likely.
I still don't really have a clue.
I might be tempted to say that this is another Turkish tea towel but it seems like a field design to me rather than a border and the hint provided presses one well beyond tea towels.
A bed hanging?
R. John Howe
Richard sent another clue:
Hi Richard -
Seems more like an echo than a new clue.
R. John Howe
Echo of something like this?
Dear Mr. Howe
this is an important NEW clue . . . with vital NEW information . . . when you know the answer you shall see.
Dear Mr. Boncompagni
the mystery textile in in definately not an ECHO of the textile that you have shown --- it looks familiar.
Monuments of enternal love?
Can't be: Christian, Islamic, Atheist.
So Buddhist or Hinduism?
Here's Richard's third clue on this piece:
"Monument of eternal love" PLUS this kind of decoration makes me think to the Taj Mahal…
Mughal embroidery! Indian, at least.
Flowers, especially smaller ones, look Uzbek rather than Mughal to me. Stephen
I insist: Mughal style silk embroidery on cotton, 18th century.
Probably a “niche” form, like the first image above.
eternal love and botanic images
fileberto is almost there but not quite . . . a verbal clue or two
think again of the other clues
think of botanical drawings
n.b. new objects and clues soon . . .
Mughal embroidery with garden panel design?
dear filiberto and other turkotekees
filiberto's answer had some truth in it . . . . another verbal clue
think of the exhibition flowers underfoot, indian carpets of the mughal era
there was considerable discussion of it on this site if i remember correctly . . .
in the book are knotted versions of this embroidery . . . hows that for a clue
I don’t have the book, but I had a look at the review of "Flowers Underfoot: Indian Carpets of the Mughal Era"on Turkotek:
Are you speaking of this rug?
If so, yours is a prayer cloth!
dear turkotekees . . . .
an answer must have
what the object is
[it might have the image of a companion piece --- ]
so to sum up for filiberto . . . .
the mystery object is a prayer cloth
and a long sitar passage BUT . . .
that is not the correct answer !!!!!!!! [only one out of three is correct]
i iwll post the complete image tomorrow . . . . but i believe someone might still get the correct answer from the available clues but visual AND VERBAL.
in the meantime might i suggest that objects numbers 8, 9 and 10 are now available in the "NAME THAT TEXTILE" attribution game.
as to filiberto's direct question - i was not particularly thinking of that rug . . although i could have been . . . i was thinking about a fragment on page 24-25 where the colors are more similar to the mystery item.
another liittle clue . . . .gujurati might help
All right, all right!
Let, say only: Mughal style silk embroidery on cotton, 17th (OK?)century.
the complete image of the textile is the final clue. one crucial bit of information missing from Filiberto's excellent detective work. . . . look very carefully at the image [clue]
Richard -- I give up. "Flowers Under Foot" speaks of the widespread adoption
off naturalistic floral images during the reign of Shah Jahan. The book also
illustrates a number of carpets with similar borders, arches or flower motifs:
but no close woven companion to this embroidery.
This piece does not look as old to me, and its limited colour palette (with neon-purple on my monitor) is out of kilter with the examples published by Walker (and by Rosemary Crill in her book), although in keeping with some of the embroideries exhibited in the V&A in London.
So perhaps a later version of a design imported from Persia and adapted under court patronage in accordance with Shah Jahan's taste.
(PS: my earlier comment to the effect that it looked Uzbek confused the carpet posted by Filiberto (dubbed "an echo ...") and your posting. Sorry, this is most certainly not Uzbek).
Richard just sent me this image for posting in this thread:
dear mr louw
i have asked steve to post a photo of page 224 from
Brend, Barbara Islamic Art British Museum Press London 1991
[by the way a very fine introduction highly recomended]
on this page you can see the gujarati embroidery that is promenently displayed in the nehru room of the v and a.
if you cant make out the text it reads:
"cotton prayer mat, mughal with gujarati style silk embroidery, second half of the 17th cent. The cloth is worked in chain-stich, and delicate shading effects are created with two blues, two turquoises, green, yellow, raspberry and pink. the lilly is surrounded by chinoiserie clouds."
the clouds were one of the clues
the piece that i put up in the game is part of a saf [have a look at the corners and you can see where they are not closed on one side where the other panels would have continued. . . it really is 17th cent. according to experts who have viewed it.
carpets have a different aesthetic than embroidery and i agree it is not readily clear that pieces from the same period belong together.
it is often the case that early pieces in good condition often seem not to be as old as they are . . . the colors of the two gujarati embroideries from the 17cent. that i have seen in person look as if they were embroidered yesterday. the same is often the case antique carpets. . .
indian block prints [something that i looking into] of the early 19th cent. if in good condition almost always look brighter [and easily mistaken as newer for those who dont know that type of work] than those made a cent. later.
early 19th cent. susanis that were kept out of the sunlight often look newer brighter than those of the early twentieth cent.
sorry about the long winded answer
yes i also agree with you that these 17th cent. embroiedered pieces are much less crowed than those of the 18th cent.
the colors on the monitor are not exact of course . . . the closeups of the clues are better.
Thanks -- its lovely, absolutely georgous. I have spent quite a bit of time
in the Nehru room at the V&A but dont remember this piece. (90% due to my
poor memory. 10% due to the V&A's policy of keeping the lights so low that
Will check this out next time I have the opportunity.