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Old January 14th, 2019, 03:01 AM   #1
Mark Klocko
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Hello everyone , this is my first time posting to your web site .First I would like to thank you all for the expertise and discussion available for so many years . I live in a smallish medium size city with only one rug store and have spent many hours reading what you have to say about rugs and other various textiles .

So here it is , I have a Turkmen felt Koran bag that I bought recently and have not yet found another comparable to this one .The ones I have found are not as primitive looking as mine. I have been looking for age markers for these kinds of bags and so far haven’t found anything . . A few details 44 cm x 30 cm x 1.5 cm . I noticed that both shades of the red triangle appliqué are a finer weave ( very small diameter) material. The two ends of what use to be a carrying strap ? have what looks like a patina . The left side tassel has two pieces of some kind of velvet or corduroy material mixed in with it . Photos taken in natural light except for the one close up showing the fine weave texture of one red triangle ,the color is not correct on that photo. The main body of the bag felt material not sure if it is wool or camel hair ? It has some seams joined together in the upper half flap area . Anyones opinion would be appreciated.

Best regards , Mark Klocko Shreveport Louisiana

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Old January 15th, 2019, 01:11 AM   #2
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Here are the images for Mark's post.











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Old January 15th, 2019, 03:09 AM   #3
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I know dealers often refer to these as "Koran Bags" but in my experience there is no basis for this. Wrong size for one thing. A couple of Turkmen I asked seemed rather offended by the suggestion though I am not sure why.

It is a fairly common form ("Bokche") within Central Asia seen in various sizes and materials. They are containers for all sorts of things. Yours looks rather utilitarian.

Turkmen in Northern Afghanistan made really beautiful ones for the piece of bread that the bride carries from her family's home to the bridegroom's house/yurt. Bread has sacred qualities in Central Asian life. Turkmen bread is round and can be quite large though what one bought in the bazaar was only about 7 or 8 inches.

Your piece looks very late to me: c1960s. Almost certainly wool. I never heard that Turkmen made camel hair felt though they do weave fabric for robes with it.
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Old January 16th, 2019, 06:23 AM   #4
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Thank you Andy , I appreciate the information . Regards , Mark
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Old January 17th, 2019, 04:20 PM   #5
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Andy Hale sent me these images of a Turkmen embroidered bokche.









Thanks for sharing them, Andy.

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Old January 17th, 2019, 05:21 PM   #6
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Which looks so like the suzani work from Bokhara and Samarkand in Uzbekistan. Very lovely.

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Old January 17th, 2019, 06:30 PM   #7
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Hi Joy

Central Asian embroidery has received relatively little attention on Turkotek in spite of it's aesthetics. But we have had two Salons on the subject that might interest you. Here are links to them.

http://www.turkotek.com/salon_00051/salon.html

http://www.turkotek.com/salon_00108/salon.html

The second one includes one silk on silk embroidered bokche.

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Old January 17th, 2019, 07:11 PM   #8
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Thank you Steve, for those links. Such an amazing treasure trove of information you have accumulated. I had never seen the examples that both you and Richard Farber presented, and anyone interested in these embroideries, should have a look.

I especially liked your anecdote about Saul Barodofsky.

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