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Old October 4th, 2017, 02:58 PM   #1
Ron_Manelski
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I'm new to collecting and this board. I'm quite impressed w/ the level of discussion on the site. I could use some of that expertise in identifying my recent purchase. I've researched for hours but can't nail down age and tribe. The gol is not one I can find other than it resembles some early animal head designs I've seen. It does have a high kpsi ~ 240-280 (20 x 14). Overall size is 42.5" x 25". Thanks on advance for your comments.

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Old October 4th, 2017, 04:56 PM   #2
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Hi Ron,

I think this is most likely a Tekke piece, probably from late 19th or early 20th century. The red dyes look as though they are likely synthetic.

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Old October 4th, 2017, 05:08 PM   #3
Chuck Wagner
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Hi Ron

I agree with James.

The major gul is odd. The hook motifs that typically line the interior edge have been drawn large in the horizontal direction, leaving no room for a traditional center motif.

But it definitely looks like Tekke work, turn of the century or early 1900's.

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Old October 5th, 2017, 03:05 PM   #4
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Hi Ron,

If you are new to collecting, it is our duty to help you along on a few minor issues.

Your juval has a knot count of about 135 - 140 kpsi. I think you are counting each node on the back as one knot. But in a rug like this (i. e., no knot depression, warps all on the same level), each knot shows two nodes at the back. Factoring the width of the quarter (whew!) makes the count 10h X 14v, or thereabouts.

The gul on your rug is referred to by a variety of names and is associated with a few Turkoman (Turkmen) tribes. The most frequently encountered are "Salor gul" and "turreted gul." In addition, Jon Thompson, a noted scholar and author in the field, famously (sort of) dubbed it the "S gul" a number of years ago. The "pure" version of it is more rounded than the flattened version on your piece. The latter is associated with Tekke and Saryk weavers, among others. There is a great deal of literature on Turkoman weaving and rugs with this gul in particular.

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