Welcome to TurkoTek's Discussion Forums

Archived Salons and Selected Discussions can be accessed by clicking on those words, or you can return to the Turkotek Home Page. Our forums are easy to use, and you are welcome to read and post messages without registering. However, registration will enable a number of features that make the software more flexible and convenient for you, and you need not provide any information except your name (which is required even if you post without being registered). Please use your full name. We do not permit posting anonymously or under a pseudonym, ad hominem remarks, commercial promotion, comments bearing on the value of any item currently on the market or on the reputation of any seller. Goose walk rugs - Turkotek Discussion Forums

Old November 16th, 2011, 06:37 PM   #1
Pierre_Galafassi
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Goose walk rugs

On several fifteen century paintings, windowsills are decorated with small, roughly knotted rugs, featuring a single walking bird. Is it a goose, a swan or a crane? Difficult to tell since we can see only the lower part of the bird.

For sure there is nothing obviously "islamic" in the rug pattern and an attribution to Italian weavers is rather credible. (Other simplified small rugs with stricly geometric patterns will we discussed in the next essay).

Was the bird inspired by the coat of arm of an Italian city-state or of a local ruler? Or was it a religious symbol perhaps related with a local saint?



(A. di Giovanni, 1440-1460, Cassone panel., National Gallery)

Best regards

Pierre
  Reply With Quote
Old November 17th, 2011, 09:14 AM   #2
Filiberto Boncompagni
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Cyprus
Posts: 76
Default

Hi Pierre,

I think those were sort of Heraldic birds. Hard to say which one, but here are a few examples:

http://www.rarebooks.nd.edu/digital/...ges/birds.html

http://www.ngw.nl/themes/birds.htm

If it was a “religious symbol perhaps related with a local saint”, as a Florentine I’m not aware of it (Apollonio di Giovanni was from Florence).
Same for birds symbolizing Florentine neighborhoods. Although things may have changed a bit since 1440.

Regards,

Filiberto
Filiberto Boncompagni is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 17th, 2011, 01:05 PM   #3
Steve Price
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 74
Default

Hi Guys

On the subject of birds in that painting, what's up with the feathers on the guy dressed in gold (lower part of the painting, second person from the right)?

Regards

Steve Price
Steve Price is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 17th, 2011, 03:46 PM   #4
Filiberto Boncompagni
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Cyprus
Posts: 76
Default

Hi Steve,

I hadn’t noticed that. Searching more on that painting I found that:
First, the “cassone” (chest) panel was painted by a Marco del Buono (see note at the bottom) who worked in A. di Giovanni’s “bottega”.

Second, that the scene depicted was of a tournament.

In this National Gallery web page is possible to see the whole panel and zoom on it:

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/pa...urnament-scene

So, perhaps the guy in feathers was the squire of a knight whose coat of arms had a bird… But, then, the only animals in the visible coat of arms are lions.

I don’t know…
But before anyone facetiously suggests that the guy was perhaps a “chiken” (meaning: coward), the animal associated with cowardice in Italy is the rabbit, not the chicken

NOTE: Marco del Buono (1402 - 1489?) was a member of the Physicians' Guild in Florence in 1426 (the guild to which painters belonged).

By 1446 he was in partnership with Apollonio di Giovanni (died 1465) almost entirely for the production of cassoni, such as the 'Cassone with a Tournament Scene' attributed to Apollonio's workshop. Source: National Gallery, London.
Filiberto Boncompagni is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 17th, 2011, 04:06 PM   #5
Steve Price
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 74
Default

Hi Filiberto

He's also remarkably tall; his head is at the same level as those of the guys on horseback. And the woman next to him (in the red cap) seems to find something quite interesting about the lower part of his body.

Regards

Steve Price
Steve Price is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 18th, 2011, 02:42 PM   #6
Filiberto Boncompagni
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Cyprus
Posts: 76
Default

Ahem… That’s not a woman, Steve, but another guy on a black horse.
The feathered man either is jumping or he is somehow suspended between the knight on the brown horse and the guy with the red cap on the black horse. Or he's on the back of the same black horse.



Regards,

Filiberto
Filiberto Boncompagni is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 18th, 2011, 04:07 PM   #7
Joel Greifinger
Members
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 66
Default More horsing around

Hi Filiberto,

Isn't Featherman riding the brown horse that's behind the guy with the red cap on the black horse?

Joel Greifinger
Joel Greifinger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 19th, 2011, 09:25 AM   #8
Filiberto Boncompagni
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Cyprus
Posts: 76
Default

Yes, you are right… So, it could be that “Featherman”, although seems to be on the right of the guy with the red cap, is actually on his left, riding that yellowish horse that otherwise wouldn’t have no rider.
Well, the artist is no Leonardo da Vinci, after all. (very appropriate smiley here )
Regards,
Filiberto
Filiberto Boncompagni is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 21st, 2011, 04:47 PM   #9
Pierre Galafassi
Members
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 78
Default

Yes Filiberto the bird could be part of a gentleman’s, a merchant’s or a guild’s coat of arms.
 Another possibility is that it was the symbolic animal of an administrative subdivision, ward or district («contrada», «rione», «sestiere» or «terziere», whatever) of an Italian city-state.
In Siena for example, each of the 59 original «contrade» was named after a symbolic animal, including several birds: Oca (goose), Gallo (rooster), Civetta (owl). Pisa and Lucca also had similar citizen organizations, if I do not err.
The tournament represented on the cassone was not necessarily celebrated in Florence, by the way.
Anyway, the odds seem to be in favor of an Italian weaving of the rug.

The golden feathers could be part of "featherman's " heaume (or great helm") which he is perhaps holding with his right hand while waiting his turn.
It will surely disappoint Steve, but I doubt that the fellow had these feathers implanted in the style of a "Moulin Rouge" dancer

Regards
Pierre
Pierre Galafassi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 21st, 2011, 05:05 PM   #10
Steve Price
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 74
Default

Hi Pierre

I doubt that the fellow had these feathers implanted in the style of a "Moulin Rouge" dancer

You're probably right, but it totally destroys the image I had conjured up.

Regards

Steve Price
Steve Price is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.