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Old October 5th, 2019, 12:51 AM   #1
Richard Tomlinson
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Hello folks

I present here a very small chanteh 'bag'? measuring just 18x18 cm.










I think it is Qashqai, and the white field appears to be cotton (though I haven't checked yet)

As you can see, the top is folded over and secured.

I am perplexed by the selvedges however; more exactly one selvedge.

I am not an expert but they look original. However, one selvedge is THICK, with a thick brown wool warp (see picture 1). All the other warps are whitish.

The last 2 pictures have been photo shopped to highlight the difference in sides.

Thoughts?

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Old October 7th, 2019, 02:42 AM   #2
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Hi Richard,

I think your very nice chanteh is Lori or Lori-Gashgai because of its archaic design.I saw two or three similar ones and all of them were attributed to the Lori .

I own two Gashgai chantehs with the typical Gashgai "Horror Vacui".






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Old October 9th, 2019, 09:45 AM   #3
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Hi Guido

Thanks for your comments and sharing your pieces.

After looking at some chantehs online, I think that my piece may in fact be the BACK of a chanteh.

What concerns me is the thick selvedge - could it be possible this is a 'manufactured' chanteh, made from a larger bagface? Sides look original so perhaps not, but I am always suspicious

Anyway, it's a lovely piece - I really like the white field.

I like your soumak piece ! What is the size?

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Old October 9th, 2019, 06:02 PM   #4
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Hi Richard,

the idea with the "back" of a chanteh sounds very plausible.

I own only 8 chantehs and the Gashgai fragment -no scientific proof- but all of them have a border even the following two that I bought from an Austrian collector.They are quite small (the left one16x15 cm possibly Gashgai;the right one 15x12 cm Bijar area possibly Afshar Shahsavan).



The Gashgai sumakh is 27x26 cm.



Turkic tribes obviously liked this design on small items.



When attributing your chanteh to the Lori tribes I was certainly influenced by this chuval (probably Lori-Bachtiar).

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Old October 10th, 2019, 02:50 AM   #5
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Hi gents,

I can help with this one, and I agree with both suggestions: Qashqai, and, the back...

It took me a while to get this image together, sorry, but here is "the smoking gun", an intact Qashqai chanteh that we acquired quite a few years ago:



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