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Pierre Galafassi · February 3rd, 2012, 11:00 AM

Hi Yohann,
Indeed, the main border of your rug is almost identical with Huguet's. What a pity that the dear saint did not wish to step back a little. We could have enjoyed a little bit more of the field. On the saint’s right side, one can notice a few knots which might belong to a small Holbein pattern. Do you agree?
I don’t see clearly the eyebelinde motif though.

Does this border give us a hint about the origin of Huguet‘s rug? I don’t think so. The attribution to Spain, for all I know, might have been influenced by the painter’s nationality.
The extant rug in your post is, unless I err, attributed to western Anatolia, sixteenth or seventeenth century, right? This main border is indeed rare in extant rugs.
FIG 1 shows another quite similar version. Again its origin is claimed to be Anatolia.
FIG 1: Anatolia, sixteenth century, Walter B. Denny, Anatolian Carpets, page 89

Time for the 100% un-substantiated theory of the month

: This border motif could be a much simplified version of a border pattern met on rugs of various origin, including Anatolia and Yomud Turkmen, as seen below:
FIG 2: Anatolia, fifteenth or sixteenth century, B. Balpinar & U Hirsch, Carpets, page 215.

FIG 3: Yomud khali, eighteenth century?

Regards
Pierre

February 3rd, 2012, 11:00 AM	#2
Pierre Galafassi Members Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 153	Hi Yohann, Indeed, the main border of your rug is almost identical with Huguet's. What a pity that the dear saint did not wish to step back a little. We could have enjoyed a little bit more of the field. On the saint’s right side, one can notice a few knots which might belong to a small Holbein pattern. Do you agree? I don’t see clearly the eyebelinde motif though. Does this border give us a hint about the origin of Huguet‘s rug? I don’t think so. The attribution to Spain, for all I know, might have been influenced by the painter’s nationality. The extant rug in your post is, unless I err, attributed to western Anatolia, sixteenth or seventeenth century, right? This main border is indeed rare in extant rugs. FIG 1 shows another quite similar version. Again its origin is claimed to be Anatolia. FIG 1: Anatolia, sixteenth century, Walter B. Denny, Anatolian Carpets, page 89 Time for the 100% un-substantiated theory of the month: This border motif could be a much simplified version of a border pattern met on rugs of various origin, including Anatolia and Yomud Turkmen, as seen below: FIG 2: Anatolia, fifteenth or sixteenth century, B. Balpinar & U Hirsch, Carpets, page 215. FIG 3: Yomud khali, eighteenth century? Regards Pierre