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Chuck Wagner July 12th, 2016 02:53 PM

Analytical laboratories

Can anyone provide recommendations for labs that perform AMS dating on antique textiles, and others that will perform identification of dyes used on antique textiles ? I am interested in wool samples, in particular.

For dyes, Paul Mushak had been the go-to source for decades, but since he passed away last February his sample turnaround times have increased dramatically.

I have used the AMS lab at the university in Waikato, in New Zealand, for archaeological samples - but not for textiles.

US based labs would be preferable, but are not a requirement.

I know we had a long discussion on radiocarbon dating about six years ago - my head hurt by the end. I'm looking for current resources.

Chuck Wagner

Lloyd Kannenberg July 17th, 2016 04:56 PM

Hello Chuck,

I understand that Beta Analytic, in Miami, might be the place to go.

Good luck!

Lloyd Kannenberg

Chuck Wagner July 20th, 2016 05:03 PM

Hi Lloyd,

Thanks, I have seen their website and may inquire further. There's a lab in Arizona as well. I'm more that a little surprised that - aside from your learned self - there's been no response from the TT crowd. I guess Jim and Kurt don't troll as much as they used to.

I have a chuval I'd like to get tested - I think probably 1850-1875, not really great age, but I'd rather get as much info as possible. The technology is out there, so why not.


Rich Larkin July 24th, 2016 04:20 PM

Hi Chuck,

I for one would be very interested in a report when you've done something.


Martin Andersen July 10th, 2017 12:38 PM

Hi Chuck

Jürg Rageth’s “Turkmen Carpets, A New Perspective” refers to Georges Bonani from ETH Zurich for the large number of rugs AMS/c14 dated in the book. ETH must have a lot of experience specifically on the turkmen rugs now :)


all the best

Chuck Wagner July 12th, 2017 12:51 PM

Hi Martin,

Thank you, I will investigate the Zurich lab's capabilities. For the piece I wrote about last year, I ended up using the lab at the University of Arizona, and was quite happy with their work.

Chuck Wagner

Martin Andersen July 13th, 2017 12:48 PM

Chuck I am curious on how you in generel look at c14 dating of rugs these days? And I am of course also curious on the specific test of your Chuval, would love to see a picture and see the c14 results

Jürg Rageth in his new book doesn't seem to take any reservations (expect of course of the variations in the peeks). Overall I personally thinks the C14 datings in his book looks realistic to me, though I have seen others expressing the oppersite on various FB forums.

All the best

Chuck Wagner July 15th, 2017 01:36 PM

Martin, Rich,

I'm getting some material prepared for a mini-Salon on Turkmen work, and trying to decide whether to address this there or here. I'll show you the results shortly, either way.


Chuck Wagner July 24th, 2017 01:40 PM

Hi all,

OK, the torba with the radiocarbon analysis is in the new mini Salon:



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