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January 22nd, 2018 11:01 PM
Andy Hale
Tough Going!

I borrowed a copy and read about a quarter of it. I am really into this kind of stuff but doubt I will ever be able to get through the whole thing. Probably just skim the and say I did!

My main interest was to see his take on design history. I found most of his arguments on design sources for Turkmen rugs both tedious and unconvincing. The popular idea that Sogdian textiles were the inspiration for Salor Turkmen main carpets is, IMO, rather facile. Of course, if you believe, as Rageth appears to, that the Salor were themselves the direct descendents of the Sogdians then I guess it makes more sense.

He seemed more interested in the cultures around the Turkmen than the people themselves. Seemed a lot more interested in rugs than the people who made them. I may be wrong but I got impression that he didn't spend much or any time doing research in Central Asia.

Well, if you believe that Turkmen textile art is no more than an artistic "Cargo Cult" of designs taken from older/higher cultures recycled mindlessly for centuries there is really not much point in going too deeply into its essence!

I do admire his passion though! Huge investment of time and money. I think in the end, his dye analysis will be the most rewarding for future researchers.
July 12th, 2017 07:37 AM
Filiberto Boncompagni Yes, thank you Joel.
And, of course, many many thanks to Mr. Rageth!
Regards,
Filiberto
July 11th, 2017 08:42 PM
Pierre Galafassi Thanks a lot Martin and Joel!!!

Indeed a fantastic job by Rageth and his colleagues.

As a scientist, I always was a great fan of Rageth’s unique approach to rug research.

These two books will be a great enjoyment to read and surely trigger some interesting discussions here on Turkotek, after we will have digested the (superbly illustrated) 800+ pages

I already had the pleasure of reading several scientific papers by two of Rageth’s collaborators, for example in Jo Kirby’s outstanding publications «*Dyes in History and Archeology*» : Jan Wouters (surely one of the world stars in analysis of dyes in archeology) and Georges Bonani (a top expert in C14 analysis).

Imho Rageth has teamed with people who know what they are talking about. (Not such a frequent occurence in so-called Rug Science).

How awfully generous of them to supply free downloads!

Best regards
Pierre
July 11th, 2017 06:37 PM
Martin Andersen Thanks a lot Joel, I wasn't aware of this.

Its a great gesture of the publisher to put the entire publication online (it looks like its an official homepage)

best Martin
July 11th, 2017 04:38 PM
Joel Greifinger
Free pdf

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I can highly recommend the book (even though it has a hefty price tag).
Hi Martin,

A free downloadable pdf of the book can be found here: http://turkmencarpets.ch/

Joel Greifinger
July 10th, 2017 11:58 AM
Filiberto Boncompagni Hi Martin,

No problem, it's done.

Regards,

Filiberto
July 10th, 2017 11:24 AM
Martin Andersen (sorry this should probably have been posted in "Miscellaneous (rug-related) Topics". best Martin)
July 10th, 2017 11:18 AM
Martin Andersen
Jürg Rageth’s “Turkmen Carpets, A New Perspective”

Has anyone been through Jürg Rageth’s “Turkmen Carpets, A New Perspective”? It could perhaps be interesting to discuss it here on Turkotek?

Anyway I can highly recommend the book (even though it has a hefty price tag). Its a beautiful and very very thorough description of both individual rugs, and of their connections in a broad perspective of historical design developments. It to me seems to be the most ambitious book on the Turkmen rug in a long time, if not the most ambitious ever.

Some of Rageth’s highly interesting suggestions might be disputable, for example the suggestion of a direct lineage between specifically the Salor tribe and the Sogdians, but sure a very interesting thesis based on both design development and lingustics.
Rageth also have a focuspoint on the Peikam border and its relation to Kufic ornamentation and the niche/prayer rug, a subject which I personally stil find highly fascinating

The heydays of interest in the Turkmen rugs may be over, but if so Jürg Rageth’s book sure is a worthy and beautiful finale

All the best
Martin

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