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May 27th, 2016 03:21 AM
Patrick Weiler
Been there, done that

Way back in 2001 I was in London and took a time out from the schedule to walk about a mile over to the V&A to see the Ardabil there. It was an impressive sight, being so large. About 25 years ago I visited LACMA and asked about their Ardabil, though the museum workers seemed not to know that it was in their collection. Finally, a couple of years ago they were displaying it, so I got a chance to see that one in person
also. It seems that "Other fragments have appeared on the market from time to time. The knot density is actually higher on the Los Angeles carpet."
I haven't heard of any fragments on the market, but I am sure that when they do appear, they are probably quite expensive.
Patrick Weiler
May 23rd, 2016 06:57 PM
Charon Lefleur Thank you so much, all of you! Reading the online pamphlet now. Very much appreciated!
May 21st, 2016 04:09 AM
Chuck Wagner Hi LLoyd,

Actually, it's available online: http://www.getty.edu/publications/vi...892360151.html

Cheers ,
Chuck Wagner
May 21st, 2016 03:59 AM
Lloyd Kannenberg The Getty Museum published a booklet, The Ardabil Carpets (Malibu 1974) by Rexford Stead, that answers some questions about these magnificent artifacts. The Getty Ardabil was cannibalized to complete the V&A example, but there are probably fragments still “out there”. According to Mr. Stead, about 1972 one such was offered to the Los Angeles County Museum of Art by Mr. Eric Binns of Surrey; it was an inheritance from his father, who obtained it in Tabriz (no date given). I’m pretty sure copies of the booklet, if not the Ardabils themselves, are still available at a reasonable price.

Lloyd Kannenberg
May 20th, 2016 11:01 PM
Joel Greifinger
Fragments

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I had read somewhere (though I'm having trouble finding the article now) that there were fragments of the same carpet in circulation.
The Museum of Fine Arts in Boston appears to own one:

http://www.mfa.org/collections/objec...l-carpet-73454

Joel Greifinger
May 20th, 2016 07:04 PM
Charon Lefleur
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Originally Posted by Chuck Wagner View Post
Hi

There are two Ardabil carpets, they are a pair, intact and not fragments. One is in the Victoria and Albert Museum in London and one in the Los Angeles County Museum of Art.

There are some images in an archived discussion here: http://www.turkotek.com/salon_00117/...?s=&forumid=75

The official V&A web page is here: https://www.vam.ac.uk/articles/the-ardabil-carpet

Regards
Chuck WAgner
Thanks, Chuck! I had read somewhere (though I'm having trouble finding the article now) that there were fragments of the same carpet in circulation. Is that just a myth? Thanks again for your quick response!
May 20th, 2016 02:34 PM
Chuck Wagner Hi

There are two Ardabil carpets, they are a pair, intact and not fragments. One is in the Victoria and Albert Museum in London and one in the Los Angeles County Museum of Art.

There are some images in an archived discussion here: http://www.turkotek.com/salon_00117/...?s=&forumid=75

The official V&A web page is here: https://www.vam.ac.uk/articles/the-ardabil-carpet

Regards
Chuck WAgner
May 19th, 2016 08:20 PM
Charon Lefleur
Fragments of the Ardabil Carpet

I know that the largest piece of the Ardabil Carpet is in England and a smaller piece is in California but I read that there are smaller fragments floating about. Does anyone know if these smaller fragments have ever been discovered? Are they in museums or private collections?

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