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Marvin Amstey
March 14th, 2012, 09:24 PM
In response to your question about whether this figure represents a kilim, I would propose that the textile reminds me more of a classical Persian garden carpet, e.g., the McMullen garden carpet. However, I know of no extant examples that date from the 14th c. - the date of the painting.

George Potter
March 15th, 2012, 01:53 AM
I think this carpet should be in “Animals in Paintings”, there are 4-5 octagons with spotted animals with a raised front paw.

Filiberto Boncompagni
March 15th, 2012, 08:47 AM
For your convenience, here is Fig. 63:

http://www.turkotek.com/old_masters/FIG63.jpg

Regards,

Filiberto

Pierre Galafassi
March 15th, 2012, 09:22 AM
Hi George and Marvin,

My warmest congratulations George :thumbsup:, I did not notice them, but you are right, there are indeed six spotted animals with raised paw enclosed in blue or red octagons, the two closest ones being masked by the flowers. That makes this rug even more special: An "animal rug" with a truly unique design. The date of the painting (1340 !!) makes it roughly contemporaneous with the extant animal rugs.
Interestingly, five years later (1345) Lorenzetti painted another animal rug with spotted animals, without raised paw, in rows of red and blue octagons, which were themselves enclosed in rows of half yellow and half blue rectangles. (FIG 15 in "animal rugs").
Filiberto, would it be possible to add FIG 15 to this thread too, please?
Marvin, interesting association with the garden carpets: could you please elaborate on your idea? Are you hinting at the northwestern persian garden rugs of which there are extant examples from the sixteenth and seventeenth century?
Best regards
Pierre

Filiberto Boncompagni
March 15th, 2012, 09:33 AM
Voila' Fig. 15:


http://www.turkotek.com/old_masters/FIG15.jpg

By the way, I think the textile in Fig. 63 is obviously of Dalmatian origin... :laughing_2:

Regards,

Filiberto

Marvin Amstey
March 15th, 2012, 02:18 PM
Yes, Pierre, it is those wonderful NW Persian garden carpets presumably made by Kurds. It is the vertical , followed by horizontal stripes, that led me to the association. I, too, missed the animals. Of course, that's what we all like about these - or even new carpets - there is always something to discover.

Pierre Galafassi
March 18th, 2012, 05:20 PM
Voila' Fig. 15:
By the way, I think the textile in Fig. 63 is obviously of Dalmatian origin... :laughing_2:
Filiberto

Hi Filiberto,

Congratulations, for once the origin of a rug will make no doubt anymore, thanks.
However, I am seeing Dalmatian dogs everywhere now. Like in de Paolo’s painting below.
I hope that this condition will not be permanent.:mad:

Pierre.

http://www.turkotek.com/old_masters/11BAA.jpg
G. di Paolo. 1455. St John the Baptist's head presented to Herod. A. I. Chicago